Sadly its very hard because not only do they have quantity, i believe its +33% land force from ideas. If you need a repeatable method, dont annex Morocco after youre done. The decision makes your country more stable and lets you easily convert all your lands to Sunni if you didnt take humanist ideas before or are really into that. Prevent their room for expansion, cut them off so rebels can take hold or other nations can try to expand, and declare war whenever the truce timer is up. Privacy Policy. With my aggressive expansion pretty high in Europe, its time we shift away. Dont give them land though, thatd be a waste of your precious war score. Once you declared war on Tunis, expand Fezzan in the desert itself and take the powerful coastal provinces for yourself. I would recommend defensive idea group and drill your armies !!!! The Ottomans tend to be hard to beat around the mid game, when they build up their Jannisaries (sp?) If you are fiercly religious don't make it your mission to take their clay and convert it but force their country to answer to your god. with Castille/Aragon/England or smth. They still haven't taken out mamluks. Helping out AI friends and building up long term rivalries and friendships can break the monotony. Best advice for beating ottomans is simply stop being intimidated by their numbers and fight them. You also take 60%+ of their trade income with this deal. If you annex them, you can no longer get the -10% Aggressive Expansion bonus. You can also take a single Croatian province to core-conquer large parts of Dalmatia. The next time they declare war on them, I will also declare war. Naval superiority would be a good idea if you can get it against the Ottos, to try and prevent the bosphorus and dardanelles crossing. Find the first and second installments of this guide here: Since this Ottomans EU4 guide is so RNG-heavy, youll likely be running into situations that dont play out as planned. with Castille/Aragon/England or smth. Even if the Spanish took Ifni, you can take all the provinces in a single war. Arabia shouldnt give you any issues. This selection contains highly anticipated releases, sequels, ports and some f We're in the home stretch! Spain will be the toughest nut youll have to crack in this entire campaign and kind of the final boss of this EU4 Ottomans guide. Like for example, if you get quality, economic, and offensive finished, that's +15% discipline. Ifni is a very poor province, so it doesnt cost much to take. To repeat some more basic info (so you wont have to hop pages all the time), this EU4 Ottomans guide was written for patch 1.33.3 with all DLCs installed. To repeat some more basic info (so you wont have to hop pages all the time), this, We interrupt this guide for a brief section on damage control, From 1500 onwards, its time to fight anything, anywhere, all the time. Take at leastIfni, Malaga, Cordoba, Palermo,andMessinato Unify Islam. You can easily take down some enemy stacks trying to avoid your blob army for some additional WE. Are the Mamluks still around? They just can't grow to the same extent if they don't have Constantinople. Spain will be the toughest nut youll have to crack in this entire campaign and kind of the final boss of this, The Ottomans historically had issues expanding into Persia. You can do this again and again, until they reach stab -3 (they will stab up though, if they can, but just keep going). https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt9GyYZn0y3vuzouyDCpMrYXebe4nUyOz PATREON https://www.patreon.com/chewyshoot REDDIT https://www.reddit.com/r/chewyshoot/ NEW MERCH https://chewyshoot.creator-spring.com/ Check out the VOD channel to catch streams after the fact https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNhobr_D_kg9pV8jQbfAolA#EU4Guide #EU4Ottoman #EU4Ottomans My Mod Pack https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1868840012Consider rating the pack if you enjoy it so others can find it easier in the workshop!__ Join the community Discord server https://discord.gg/RWUbeJZ Keep up to date on the channel via Twitter https://twitter.com/Chewyshoot Subscribe if you haven't already so you can keep up to date with the channel, and ding the bell to get notifications when we upload!__Check out EU4 at the Paradox website https://www.paradoxplaza.com/europa-universalis-iv/EUEU04GSK-MASTER.htmor on Steam https://store.steampowered.com/app/236850/Europa_Universalis_IV/__Videos and associated commentary are intended to be transformative in nature and thus fall under the \"Fair Use\" laws of video use.This video may contain some audio from the \"Themes of the Old World\" mod on the Steam Workshop for Europa Universalis IV, with the audio created, and licensed to Chewyshoot, by Utopia.Find and support them on Spotify: https://sptfy.com/utopia Imo wars in eu4 are less about fighting and more about sieging, especially later in the game with the Imperialism CB where you need to siege your opponents capital down asap for easy WS and WE. For more information, please see our The last thing he needs is for an opportunistic Austria + friends to form a coalition, even if it's inccurred making a DoW against Otto, and then have to deal with large stacks of rebels in the midst of two wars. This will often make them take the long way around the Black Sea in wars, slowing them down considerably. By outsmarting Hungary, the Mamluks, and Venice, we became the undisputed ruler of the Balkans, the Eastern Mediterranean, and the Levant. With a strong navy you can win half the war (or more accurately, 25%, because that's what you'll get for fully blockading them). I still had Ajam as a vassal, which gets cores on much of Iran. The longer you drag the war out the better. When you attack a mountain, or a fort, or -worse- a mountain fort, you have a good chance to be defeated. This war can be tricky, so it can be useful to curry favors with important allies that can distract the Spanish, like France, Russia, Britain, or even Bohemia, Scandinavia, or Naples. However, the coastal areas are likely up for grabs. Build up your naval forces if you are uncertain of your navys ability, takeNaval Ideasto give yourself an edge. You wouldn't have much issue at all. After you dealt with the Mamluks, youre the only Great Power left in Arabia. If you're a relatively powerful nation like PLC, Hungary, Austria, castille, etc, you can just straight up declare war and beat them before they get big. Numbers don't mean a whole lot when you can't fight quality+co and offensive for a +15% discipline is good (discipline boost tactics too, so its very good). Play Burgundy for example and it's all going to be right there in one region. I cant forget to mention the use of trade companies at this point. The QQ exploded in my case and gave birth to an independent Kurdish state, Soran. However, history wont stop us! Also always have a military advisor, either a 5% discipline one or a +10% morale one. Conquer the World as the Ottomans etc. Anyone who dislikes Spain is your friend, in this case. You can run up their war exhaustion very easily. They are Sunni with the Shafi'i school and have the unique Mamluk government. Take the tribal kingdom to the south as your vassal. Video: Great Khan Achievement with Mongolia. quick and dirty: hudavendigar, constantinople, kocaeli (? They will either leave you alone while they fight their war, at which point you can just focus on sieging down as many forts as you can, or they'll come straight to confront you, leaving themselves vulnerable in the other front (which means less area to call reinforcements from, income diminishes, war exhaustion goes up). Hungary, Austria, Poland) for free. Don't just make it all Light Ships. The whole of the Bosporus should be your main target for conquest. Look around Ottoman. I just needed to buy enough time to take Tunis/Crete out of the equation. . Punch Syria out of them if you can. However, history wont stop us! Im playing an Ottomans game right now (going for the Dar al-Islam achievement) and its very easy to get an absolutely insane army force limit by doing just two things: reaching the end of their national ideas, which gives +50% army force limit, and also by reaching the end of the Quantity Idea Group, which I believe also doubles your force limit. If their manpower gets low and/or they're in multiple wars, the time might be right to pile on. You must log in or register to reply here. I think at one point I just did nothing but go to war with them for 50 years as Germany. Try to disconnect their capital from asia. Ottomans also tend not to upgrade forts so it's relatively quick sieging. Thing is, I don't think there is an easy fix to this because, as I said, optimal play happenes as a consequence of how the game is designed. Currently Spain. While if they attack them with you not allied to said nation, it's that big country plus it's allies and then you can start a war with your allies against the Ottoman at the same time. I always do a little DLC recommendation to make the run more fun previously I recommended Cradle of Civilization and Rights of Man. AE won't matter (No one will really care if you gut the ottos except maybe hejaz?). Yeah, they aren't the scourge of Christendom for nothing. I encountered some issues in my own run that couldve jeopardized the progress of this guide. With everyone on different sides, and AI sucks at doing multi front wars, Ottoman will usually go for one country instead of everyone at once, allowing the rests of the nations to siege freely. great project. 1.18 Kilwa -> Italy 85% reduced coring cost One-tag WC, 1.19 Aztec True One-tag WC AAR (complete), 1.20 Theravada SpanishBritalianFrancoPrussian Holy Roman Emperor of China One-tag, Sail On, Ceylon - A Non-European Colonial AAR for EU4. Moreover, we need a Moroccan province, Ifni. That and Quality should give you some pretty good troops. When you fight with the Mamluks, make sure to expand into Saudi Arabia, towards Medina and Yemen. In my game, Austria has been beaten down and is pretty tiny, Russia is getting slowly annexed by me and the Malmuks aren't doing much. Ottoman Empire became modern day Turkey lol. I control most of Northern Africa and Central Europe. The Ottomans in 1444 are a regional power, in the process of securing control over Anatolia and the Balkans. Then declare (3-4 months later) and invade the opposite front. If you get really lucky, others will follow your lead and you can get a huge dogpile going. My troops always seem to suck and lose equal manpower battles, maybe I need to read up more on how it all works :'), Yeah no dlc yet but I'll keep that in mind for next game, thanks :). But it is what it is and it's still a great grand operational war game in my view. It's actually significantly easier to take the Ottomans down the later you go. Even with my main allies France and Venice (60kish each) we're still not as powerful as them combined. Make sure you get enough ships. In the previous part, we covered the remainder of the Age of Discovery and built the Ottomans from a major power to a powerhouse. I'm new, and I've never even heard of Byzantium historically? After all, it was my first time playing this game. Gotta love EU4 logic. Cav are kinda weak at techs 14 to 16, making their cav combat ability less scary (they also miss a cav upgrade at 14). The Ottomans have both quality and quantity, which is what makes them so scary. We need at least one province deep Persian territory Samarkand. A no CB to vassalize Byzantium, followed by a straightforward war with ottomans to reclaim Byzantium cores is a popular move. I had a mighty Spain to deal with that expanded deep into North Africa and threatened my expansion plan. I was sowing discontent Ottoman Empire right from the get go, but at this point I started funneling my extremely large treasury into supporting the Ottoman rebellion. If you had a strong Russia, France, and Austria. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! Istanbul isnt the problem (obviously), and Rome should be easy takings with your dominance in the Mediterranean. Basically, you get some strong allies for yourself. You can beat them as an immediate neighbor or as someone who doesn't border them for centuries. So what i prefer to do is basically base race my opponent and take down any forts blocking my way to their capital. If you can't get to them early, you may need to wait till later in the game. Soon enough, Ottoman Empire was just busy quelling rebellion rising in half the provinces and all I had to do was siege. What can you guys suggest? Oh Hungary, you and your developed land filled with claims which just so, unfortunately, sit right next to me. It's a bit cheesy though. You may be able to take the Nile Delta, but this could be too expensive at this time. I personally wouldn't ally (all) big nations around the Ottoman. Wait for them to declare on someone on the south side of the Bosporus and then get your fleet into the channel, declare war, occupy everything in the Balkans and win! If you focus on taking down the Ottomans you can't be giving them respite. In the late game, at military tech 19 (for infantry) and tech 18 (for cavalry) The Ottoman units will have less unit pips compared to the western tech group. A few suggestions on improving existing mechanics: Yeah shipping troops around is not the most fun thing to do for me either. Poland/Lithuania, Russia, France, Austria, can be very useful if you gang up on the The Ottomans. Keep attacking them as soon as that truce is up. This area is very wealthy and contains the Islamic Holy cities of Mekka and Medina. is a province you will need to retake the Caliphate. If Warscore is left make them pay war reperations (remember that you also get 10% from every loan they take, so rebuilding is a bit harder for them) and release countries. After the war ends they will quickly self- destruct through rebellions and other nations invading. If this doesnt bring their disloyalty above 50, do so to make the annexation process easier. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Siege down the fort in Malaga before swarming over the Spanish mainland. However, fabricate claims on Palermo and Messina to make it a lot cheaper, should you need more land. Who would win? disaster which hurts your technological advancements tremendously. 33% for ottoman ideas and 50% for quantity. If Ajam gets too big or runs out of cores, integrate them and expand with new vassals, like Fars, Khorasan, Afghanistan, and Transoxiana. Ally a powerful nation nearby, such as Great Britain or Scandinavia, and snake your way to Paris from a coastal province. Not to mention their ability to tech like hell. In case this is where you enter the series, first of all welcome! Make the war goal something I can take and defend easily; the goal is not to defeat them utterly as they have ridiculous numbers to be able to siege them out completely at first. Perhaps it's worth breaking truce with them as well. However, always have an army ready in case you need it for war. If you also have to fight your next target only take cash for shorter truce. Simply declare war for your permanent claim on Caffa, and take your cores back. They're frankly not nearly as difficult to beat as commentary on this sub would have you believe. I set up two: the Ottoman Hormuz Company and the Ottoman Horn of Africa company. The best option is to wait for the Ottomans to declare war on some other neighbor. Also I'm a scrub. Who do the Ottomans have as rivals? Occupy all provinces except one. . How do I win a war against them? This war can be tricky since Hungary could have a high discipline. i play a lot vs ottomans playing as hungary, which is weaker than poland/plc, but very similar. how do you deal with ottomans when they take quantity ideas? I strongly recommend keeping Oman around as a vassal for the time being theres a good chance theyll be the last nation to host the Hanbali school of thought. Your situation might differ from mine, but I had to deal with a massive Timurids that united all of Persia. How to beat Ottomans as Poland It is 1505, I annexed Danzig, Mazovia, Lithuania as a junior partner, and Austrians as my allies. So their tech 12 infantry are the same pips as western tech 15, giving you parity, until tech 19 when you can edge ahead. Just like in actual history, France and the Ottomans make quite natural allies. After that you can trucebreak and catch their troops between you and and the rebels. Really, it's all about planning your idea groups to maximize the quality of your army. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Move your army in position and declare war to retake a Transylvanian core like Hunyad. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. The better player you are, the more attention you pay to all of this aspects. Prussian troops stackwipe Ottos easy in the 1600s. Ideally, you managed to cripple the Spanish armies trapped in Morocco, so the Spanish may not put up much of a fight. You can also take some cash from these extremely wealthy merchant republics. Your situation might differ from mine, but I had to deal with a massive Timurids that united all of Persia. Personally, to me all of this necessary micro is the worse aspect of the game and what drives me away from it the most. Optimally you want them to release bulgaria. Here are some of the issues I encountered, as well as how you can act on them, should the situation arise. What nation are you playing as? The only exception to this rule would be Russia and ONLY Russia, but that's cause of just the massive amount of troops they can put out, especially with quantity, allowing them to easily overrun the Ottomans in a war, though at a massive cost. With these claims, youll get a great opportunity to expand your holdings when the, fires. If you do that, the AI will continue building troops and go further into debt than today's Greece. When dealing with a large nation, core conquest is a very viable tactic. 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